Comments on: Fourplay — minus one and a PSA http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/ Perfume Reviews from Around the World, as long as the Credit Card Holds out. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:55:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Macro bako http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32938 Macro bako Fri, 11 May 2007 02:18:23 +0000 http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32938 hello hi honey hello hi honey

]]> By: carmencanada http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32896 carmencanada Thu, 10 May 2007 20:46:35 +0000 http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32896 Helg, Patty, I do agree that the PolkadotPatty affair opened up valves of doubt and ill feeling, even if it's not directly linked to the so-called payola affair. I'm absolutely not talking about myself, but I did get that vibe. It's a strange thing, this internet community: because of geographical constraints the only physical interaction we have, mostly, is through parcels (sales, swaps). The absence of many signs of human interaction (expressions, tone of voice, body language) means we miss out on a lot of what we crave as human animals. Some people fill that vacuum with mistrust, especially when other facts seem to corroborate that there are untrustworthy people out there in the ether... Again, not speaking for myself, but I've been following all these discussions with great interest because they seem to say a lot about the type of communities that have been growing in the past few years, the way relationships establish themselves, etc. I'm sure a sociologist is studying this right now. Helg, Patty, I do agree that the PolkadotPatty affair opened up valves of doubt and ill feeling, even if it’s not directly linked to the so-called payola affair. I’m absolutely not talking about myself, but I did get that vibe. It’s a strange thing, this internet community: because of geographical constraints the only physical interaction we have, mostly, is through parcels (sales, swaps). The absence of many signs of human interaction (expressions, tone of voice, body language) means we miss out on a lot of what we crave as human animals. Some people fill that vacuum with mistrust, especially when other facts seem to corroborate that there are untrustworthy people out there in the ether… Again, not speaking for myself, but I’ve been following all these discussions with great interest because they seem to say a lot about the type of communities that have been growing in the past few years, the way relationships establish themselves, etc. I’m sure a sociologist is studying this right now.

]]> By: Elle http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32857 Elle Thu, 10 May 2007 16:25:03 +0000 http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32857 Helg, No slam on other bloggers was intended by not mentioning them. The comments on this topic have been full of people listing the specific blogs they read. Not for a second did I assume they meant all other blogs were suspect. I mentioned the blogs I knew and read daily. I also initially thought that Ysatis, the original poster on MUA, asked a legitimate question. I had no problem w/ that. However, it got to a point where she seemed positively relentless in her desire to foment scandal where none needed to exist. Yes, the question merited discussion, but I found her disingenuousness and almost willful desire to distrust problematic. Who knows? Maybe she was sincere, but I do like the bloggers I mentioned a great deal and it was hard not to take it personally when she continued to insist in their possible culpability. Helg,
No slam on other bloggers was intended by not mentioning them. The comments on this topic have been full of people listing the specific blogs they read. Not for a second did I assume they meant all other blogs were suspect. I mentioned the blogs I knew and read daily. I also initially thought that Ysatis, the original poster on MUA, asked a legitimate question. I had no problem w/ that. However, it got to a point where she seemed positively relentless in her desire to foment scandal where none needed to exist. Yes, the question merited discussion, but I found her disingenuousness and almost willful desire to distrust problematic. Who knows? Maybe she was sincere, but I do like the bloggers I mentioned a great deal and it was hard not to take it personally when she continued to insist in their possible culpability.

]]> By: winterwheat http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32855 winterwheat Thu, 10 May 2007 16:13:38 +0000 http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32855 Hi Patty, Thanks for your insightful reply; it helped me understand a little better what the bloggers' reaction was, and I sympathize with your frustration. I was on the fragrance board when ysatis' post came up, and I privately MUAmailed her to explain what the board dynamics are like, and that a lot of perfume bloggers are members of the board. We've exchanged some mails since. I honestly don't think she's a troll. I think she thought the board was more of a public exchange-of-ideas place, where you can post challenging or controversial things and hash it out without offending or hurting anyone personally. (She's been a member of MUA for almost 2 years but rarely posted until this year.) There is a certain "dogpile conformity" on the MUA fragrance board that's all about preserving relationships. It is most definitely NOT a marketplace of ideas. Ysatis didn't know what she'd set into motion. I felt the need to defend her question (if not her method) because I think it's a legit one (even if the answer is "you're wrong"), and I'm a debater myself. [Indeed, I got piled upon when I asked a few years ago if we could agree to make the place an oasis free of body-related laments of the I'm-too-fat or I'm-too-flat-chested type. As a body-image researcher, I know how crucial it is that women be given freedom from the pressure to obsess about such things. The answer to my request: an emphatic NO. :-) ] So, that sort of "How dare you ask that question when someone I know and love is a blogger and a member of this board she would NEVER NEVER NEVER blah blah blah" response is designed less to defend the person in question than to make a public statement of allegiance with that person. And it wears me out, since I don't understand or operate according to those social dynamics. Ironically, it's exactly that conformity on the board that sent me to the blogs, where I feel I can get more HONEST assessments of perfumes (and other things), and where I feel that bloggers can express themselves, complete with swearwords, without fear of being flagged. And where I can post comments like this one without fear of being flagged myself! Indeed, I've just added your blog to my own blogroll because, after reading it for the past few days, I've discovered that it's hilarious and smart-smart. Maybe it's the ownership of the blogging space that makes bloggers feel freer to express themselves truthfully than they would on a public board that is no one's home turf. And maybe that's why violetnoir and I love these blogs so much and really want to keep believing that they're independent. I don't know... I'm tired. Anyway, thanks for letting me take up yet more space here. I do think your blog is fab, and great fun to read. Thanks for putting so much creative energy into it. warmly, Kris Hi Patty,

Thanks for your insightful reply; it helped me understand a little better what the bloggers’ reaction was, and I sympathize with your frustration. I was on the fragrance board when ysatis’ post came up, and I privately MUAmailed her to explain what the board dynamics are like, and that a lot of perfume bloggers are members of the board. We’ve exchanged some mails since. I honestly don’t think she’s a troll. I think she thought the board was more of a public exchange-of-ideas place, where you can post challenging or controversial things and hash it out without offending or hurting anyone personally. (She’s been a member of MUA for almost 2 years but rarely posted until this year.) There is a certain “dogpile conformity” on the MUA fragrance board that’s all about preserving relationships. It is most definitely NOT a marketplace of ideas. Ysatis didn’t know what she’d set into motion. I felt the need to defend her question (if not her method) because I think it’s a legit one (even if the answer is “you’re wrong”), and I’m a debater myself. [Indeed, I got piled upon when I asked a few years ago if we could agree to make the place an oasis free of body-related laments of the I'm-too-fat or I'm-too-flat-chested type. As a body-image researcher, I know how crucial it is that women be given freedom from the pressure to obsess about such things. The answer to my request: an emphatic NO. :-) ] So, that sort of “How dare you ask that question when someone I know and love is a blogger and a member of this board she would NEVER NEVER NEVER blah blah blah” response is designed less to defend the person in question than to make a public statement of allegiance with that person. And it wears me out, since I don’t understand or operate according to those social dynamics. Ironically, it’s exactly that conformity on the board that sent me to the blogs, where I feel I can get more HONEST assessments of perfumes (and other things), and where I feel that bloggers can express themselves, complete with swearwords, without fear of being flagged. And where I can post comments like this one without fear of being flagged myself! Indeed, I’ve just added your blog to my own blogroll because, after reading it for the past few days, I’ve discovered that it’s hilarious and smart-smart. Maybe it’s the ownership of the blogging space that makes bloggers feel freer to express themselves truthfully than they would on a public board that is no one’s home turf. And maybe that’s why violetnoir and I love these blogs so much and really want to keep believing that they’re independent. I don’t know… I’m tired. Anyway, thanks for letting me take up yet more space here. I do think your blog is fab, and great fun to read. Thanks for putting so much creative energy into it. warmly, Kris

]]> By: Marie-Helene http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32841 Marie-Helene Thu, 10 May 2007 14:31:47 +0000 http://perfumeposse.com/2007/05/08/fourplay-minus-one/#comment-32841 Patty, I'm sorry, but really, when you start lecturing me about that perfume community and friendship topic, I just had to remember the insightful remark you had made on a separate occasion. And I didn't post the message, I just gave the gist of it. If you feel insulted, maybe I should start feeling insulted too. You have the choice of arms. Pistolet or sword? LOL!!! I think a little spritz of Annick Goutal's Duel would be appropriate at this point. Patty,

I’m sorry, but really, when you start lecturing me about that perfume community and friendship topic, I just had to remember the insightful remark you had made on a separate occasion. And I didn’t post the message, I just gave the gist of it.

If you feel insulted, maybe I should start feeling insulted too. You have the choice of arms. Pistolet or sword? LOL!!! I think a little spritz of Annick Goutal’s Duel would be appropriate at this point.

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