I know just how Rat feels, don’t you? (And I wonder if she’s any relationship to Patty’s Voracia Tata?)
Hey, all you good-smelling folks in the D.C. area — don’t forget the D.C. Sniffa is this weekend! Meet at the north entrance of the Chevy Chase Saks on Wisconsin Avenue on Saturday at 10 a.m. Please email Nancy (fishbone96 at mac dot com) to let her know if you’ll be there (I think we’re maybe getting goody bags) and whether you’re interested in lunch at Maggiano’s. See you there!
Also: we finally heard from Patty (yay!) and I have zero details but she’s planning to blog Friday, I’m hoping about her Paris finds, so be sure to stop by.
Blogging off-topic momentarily – I took Diva and Enigma to see Lars and the Real Girl, about a shy young man in rural somewhere (North Dakota?) who shows up for his life one day with a life-size doll he introduces around as Bianca, his non-English-speaking, wheelchair-bound missionary girlfriend. His fellow townfolk tilt their heads, scratch their chins, and … decide to run with it, because if that´s what Lars needs, well, okay. What follows is a low-key meditation on love and community that manages to conjure up every trite movie-ad cliché – hilarious! poignant! two thumbs up! — only in this case those descriptions are true. It was wonderful. March the Maleficent decrees: bring your little pack of tissues, you might find you need them.
Okay, today’s perfume post:
I think most folks would agree that, in the world of mainstream women´s perfumery, there are market-driven considerations that wind up producing a slew of not particularly imaginative fragrances, even by people from whom you might expect more (like Gwen Stefani and her new scent.)
If that argument is true in the ladies´ department, I´d argue that it´s even more true in the men´s department, where conservative tendencies, habit, and a desire not to offend conspire to produce an endless array of sorta-woody, kinda-fresh men´s scents that are distinctive only for their blandness. I have, for instance, smelled Fahrenheit 32 and both the Diddys several times, and writing this I can´t conjure up what any of them smells like. Sometimes it seems like the best one can hope for is pleasant.
There are exceptions, of course. Arpege Pour Homme with its woody, spicy iris I can´t help but try to talk random men into buying if I´m standing near them in the men´s fragrances at Nordstrom. I don´t care for Guerlain´s L´Instant one bit, but L´Instant Pour Homme is a divinely warm blend of citrus, smoke and patchouli. Certainly Versace Dreamer is not often confused with anything else. Prada Pour Homme, in addition to being a great scent, is arguably more femme than the woman´s Prada. Finally, Gaultier continues to push the boundaries of traditional male perfumery with the flowery Le Male, the striking, synthetic vanilla-musk thrum of unisex Gaultier2, and the outrageous orange blossom of Fleur du Male.
Several people on my Figmania! post suggested I try Marc Jacobs for Men, and the results were so successful I´m blogging on it today, separate from my upcoming fig post. The notes I found listed for Marc Jacobs for Men are bergamot, cypress, cumin, cardamom, ginger, fig leaves, rose de Mai, cyclamen, tonka bean, cedarwood, musk, Provence fig, and patchouli.
Marc Jacobs for Men opens on a juicy burst of fig; I was expecting it to sneak in a little more gradually and I was pleasantly surprised. There´s a bit of the ubiquitous cucumbery “fresh” accord at the opening, probably courtesy of the bergamot and cyclamen, which reassures an average guy smelling it that yes, bro, you´re in the right aisle. The fresh notes (never pervasive) fade over the first 15 or 20 minutes, and the spices become more noticeable but never overwhelming (and I can´t pick out the cumin at all, but it may be adding a hint of warmth). They´re a nice adjunct to the fig; the fragrance gets richer and a tad more conventional as it dries down, with the cedarwood and musk more dominant than the patchouli, but it never strays into uber-man territory. The rose and tonka add a warm, vaguely vanillic sweetness to the scent. The fig fades away in the far drydown (several hours on me) and I´m left with a woody, spicy musk, but even then it doesn´t smell like I´m wearing my husband´s cologne.
For anyone who´s wondering — yes, it is a great fig scent. It also makes me realize that, unlike many popular fruits used in women´s perfumery, fig doesn´t broadcast some instant femininity that would make a cautious man pause and say, dude – you sure that stuff isn´t for the ladies? While it smells great on me, I´ve tried enough of my fig testers on the Big Cheese to decide fig is a delicious note on men as well.
We fragrance lovers yammer on about what we want all the time – longevity! interest! depth! more leather! – but the truth is, we all want different things, and our desires may overlap but don´t match up perfectly. Marc Jacobs for Men deserves kudos for doing so many things well at the same time. It is utterly wearable by men and women without being boring. It is low-key enough a man could wear it in a conservative setting; at the same time it´s interesting enough that paired with jeans in an art gallery on a different man (or just a different day) it would make a completely different statement. It´s subtle enough from the get-go that you wouldn´t kill anyone in your elevator if you were late to work, but it lasted most of the day on me. Finally, I enjoy its agelessness – it lacks a “classic” construct that might earn it a frump label, but at the same time it´s not some shameless pandering to the fresh/aquatic camp that seems (to me, anyway) to be driven by some lingering terror of teenage body odor. It´s proof you can do an interesting mainstream scent and still create something with fairly broad appeal.
Addendum: a number of reviewers on Basenotes liked this scent much better than Philosykos, for example – the difference being (apparently) an absence of sharp leafy green notes. MJ Men is a woodier, less challenging fig. If you´re looking for some fig love but keep getting turned off by that leafy aspect in various niche fig scents, and I feel your pain, you might want to check this one out. It´s available online at some pretty steep discounts to the already reasonable retail price of $70ish for 4.2 ounces, a steal compared to much of what appears on this blog. The only part I’m still baffled by is what took me so long to try it.
cartoon: Pearls before Swine, Stephan Pastis
Hi everyone,
First off I’d like to apologize for being a no-show today at the Sniffa. I’m looking at my watch and its about 11:20 a.m. — too late to come over and find all of you. Truth be told, I was out late last night and I just woke up — please don’t think that I deliberately flaked out.
One good thing is that I’m definitely over my shyness and can’t wait to attend the next Sniffa or any other events in the future. Who knows maybe I might even run into one of you at Art With Flowers…speaking of which, maybe we could have the next Sniffa there (the owners are really nice and always put up with my incessant questioning, not to mention generous with their samples). Anyways, I hope all of you had a great time…see you at the next one!
Also…I have a sample each of PdE Equistrius and Fougere Bengale that I’d be happy to share if anyone hasn’t had a chance to try them.
***I can’t believe I missed out on the goody bag…GRRR***
Okay…well you guys convinced me! See ya’ll Saturday.
Yippie!!
For Tarun and Cathy above – hope you guys decide to come! I’ve been to a couple of sniffas and perfume people are super nice – maybe it comes from having what’s considered to be a bit of a weird hobby and just having someone around who will throw their wrist under your nose every few minutes and demand that you smell them. The first time I met a “perfumista” to do some sniffage, I felt like a total novice, I had never even smelled anything by L’Artisan and she was totally nice and patient and showed me practially the whole line in the shop we were in – and I felt like it was fun for her too because every person only has so much skin they can spray stuff on, unless you’re Louise and can use your ankles too. If you like perfume, you will fit right in.
We could spray each other’s ankles! I’m excited you’re coming Saturday!
Thanks to everyone here for all the positive vibes. I look forward to meetig you all on Saturday!
Hi March,
I was thinking of attending the DC Sniffa this Saturday, but I’m apprehensive because I’m bit of a novice compared to everyone else here when it comes to talking about perfume in a knowledgeable way (I’m having flashback to a recent dinner w/ people discussing the different fruit notes in a wine and me blankly staring at my glass waiting to chug it). Until recently my idea of great perfumes were limited to the ubiquitous Diors and Armanis (and also Marc Jacobs for Men :-)). So if this Sniffa event is for intermediate/advanced perfumistas, maybe I ought to sit this one out…any thoughts or suggestions??
Hon … my thoughts and suggestions?!? COME. Seriously. Come. Ten minutes into it and you will be wondering why you were worried. We will be various ages, genders, sizes and levels of experience. I met Louise, one of my fave perfume pals, when we started to chat in front of the Britney Spears or some such at Sephora one day. It is fun to sniff by yourself; it is a different kind of fun to sniff with other people. This is our first get-together, suggested informally and then organized by Nancy — which means Saks is actually going to *give us* something, and maybe elsewhere too! I don’t really know what to expect; I’ve never been to the big NYC sniffas either, so guess what? On that front I’m a newbie too. I can promise you if anyone starts sniffing some scent strip of Tom Ford Black Orchid, tilts his/her head back, eyes closed reverently and starts murmuring about the bouquet, we’ll make them drink the rest of the bottle. Where do you start? You just …. start! Please, consider coming on Saturday. My magic 8-ball says you’ll have fun. (PS If it makes you feel any better, in my experience meeting perfume people, a lot of them are a bit shy.)
Aw, Tarun, please come. We organized this get-together as a way to meet some old and new local friends and just have a fun time. The range of perfume experience is really wide among those coming-with no rating system available! I have always liked perfumes, but have only really been obsessed for maybe a year. The remarkable and lovely thing about scents is that there is always more to learn-and more truly lovely and welcoming people to get to know. I hope to meet you Saturday!
Hey – you’ve got to come! I’ll be there, so I can promise you that you won’t be the oldest, fattest or least experienced :d:d
Go, Tarun! I donm’t think anyone’s going to get all pretentious on you… like you, I’d rather be quaaffing the wine than discussing its woody undertones. It’s the same on the ‘fume hunt too…
I *love* the cartoon. I need to print it out and pin it on the frig.
I don’t know much about men’s fragrance, so I don’t know how bad it is. Fortunately, while hubby happily tries whatever unisex sample I give, he wouldn’t seek out something new on his own–so he won’t be bringing back the horrors. I’m putting him into Diam Blonde tomorrow.
Hey Griz,
That’s sweet about your Dad…one of the reasons he may have been drawn to perfume after Alzheimer’s is because supposedly people with the disease lose their sense of smell, or it gets skewed. My grandmother went through it and it’s awful, so my happiest thoughts to you. I wear rose frags for her sometimes. 😉
Whoops, that one was supposed to be a reply to grizzlesnort. Oof, what a day!
Oh, I have not smelled the MJ, but it seems I must. I’m always a wee bit saddened by the strong green smell of some of the figs, it’s either way too green or too sweet…woody sounds like it might be perfect. And if not on me, well the boyfriend is always up for a new bottle I can steal from occasionally. His current is Double Black, and yum.
Oh if I weren’t so lazy I would drive the few hours to DC, but I’m lazy…pitiful really.
I love, love, love Double Black! I would definitely include it on another list of mainstream men’s fragrances that smell delicious. That coffee/mango combo is amazing, I can’t believe Ralph came up with it.;)[-(
Yeah, you might like this fig, given what you wrote. I’ve now sniffed 20+ fig fragrances? (I stopped counting) and this one’s a lot less challenging than many. But still very nice.
I have been exploring fragrances marketed to women or as ‘unisex’ because a lot of the men’s stuff is so ‘safe.’ e.g. I’m wearing Voleur de Rose today. As for Marc Jacob’s for men, on me, it is exceptionally cloying after 2 minutes. I sniffed it, loved it, bought it. But after 2 wearings I couldn’t be around it anymore. That is until my dad, who had fairly advanced Alzheimers, found it and loved to douse himself with it thoughhe had never worn fragrances in his life. My brother hid the bottle ut couldn’t force himself to throw it away. Now Marc Jacobs in all it’s fig newton oppressiveness reminds me of Dad in a good way.
Really?!?! Cloying? Augh, it sounds horrible on your skin … and yet I love your story. People talk about the merits of Grey Flannel (or not) but to me it’s Eau du Daddy.@};-
Dusan is right, hate MJ For Men. Give me those sharp leafy green notes any day :d
LOL, I knew it!
Well, we can argue some more about this on Saturday. I can’t wait to see you again! I also can’t get anyone at the Hermes boutique in McLean to answer my questions about Brin…[-(
Aw, I’m so sad now. Why oh why do I live so far far away? Would have loved to meet y’all and give each of you a teddy-bear hug! 🙁
March, Jelena (my DG) has no probem with my wearing femme scents, that is, as long as she likes em. The truth is, there are very few scents (Fumerie, M7, Egoiste, Hanae Mori) I wear she truly loves. The others, well, she either hates w/ a passion or is ambivalent to. You should see her reaction to ISM (“rancid lipstick/carrot”) or Musc Rav (“cat pee”) – pure disgust! She even slapped me once for spraying her wrist w/ MR. 😀
I’m so looking forward to meeting everyone on Saturday. I’m working hard to overcome a bout of shyness/insecurity that has started niggling on me as the day is approaching. For some bizarre reason, the idea of meeting up with everyone has started to feel like a blind date. Weird. 😕 Probably has to do with the fact that I’m a frag newbie, combined with my natural aversion to Saks (one bad SA experience too many, perhaps) 😉
I’m so excited to meet you! No need to fear this blind date-we’re all cute and nice. We’ll also protect each other from aggressive SAs, promise?
I can promise you that Louise and March are truly lovely. The other – no idea, but I’m guessing they can’t be far off the mark set by these two darlin’s…:x
Others. I’m sure there’ll be more than 3…
LOL
We’ll have safety in numbers :d
Honey, I was just over there, I met the man who’ll be handing us free swag on Saturday, he’s very sweet, and some good things to smell. Have no fear! They have lots of yummy stuff to smell, and it’s not like we’re all swishing it around in our mouths, pontificating… Louise and I are sort of goofballs, In a good way.
Plus I need to check my notes but I’m pretty sure you won the Straw Hat! If you did I’ll bring it, one less box to mail. :)>-
They are both verifiable goofballs, in the BEST way.
That goes without saying!
Personally, I’m more of a goober than a goofball, but I’m pretty sure that the two species are compatible 🙂
Rather than a refined sniffing, I have this image of us belly up to the (scent) bar, knocking back a few shots and telling the SA to “leave the bottle of Prada and put it on our tab.”
Cool about Straw Hat! Gonna work on my side of the exchange for Saturday.
Goofball likes goober, goofball likes goober :-j
Hmmm- everything’s centered now. funky!
Wish I could go to that DC Sniffa. 35oo miles is a bit far, even for me. I love driving (I did all the driving the last trip home), but that’s a bit much.
“Lars” looks like a hoot.
I may pop over to Macy’s at lunch and see if they have this. Of course they either won’t or won’t have (or won’t give) a sample. I have a feeling that the Chene I am wearing today would kick it’s butt…
This centering is driving me nuts — BTW I just wrote “scentering.” Let me know if your Macy’s has it (ours doesn’t, though they have MJ for women). And you are right — Chene would, I don’t know, give it a wedgie and take its lunch money. You may be bored by MJ Men — I just wanted to show some love to a mainstream fragrance for a change…
There’s nothing moronic about being centered. :d It’s so much better than being unbalanced. lol
Nothing, and I do mean nothing, gets my attention faster than a man wearing a fascinating scent. I work in downtown Denver where it’s rare to see a male out of the ‘corporate uniform’ of dark business suit and its usual accoutrements. Sadly, as you’ve pointed out, most of them smell alike, as well. Every once in a while, I’ll step into an elevator, onto a shuttle, or into a crowded restaurant and catch a tease of a scent that’s different from the usual. I’ll make all sorts of efforts to find out which fellow it is who smells so intriguing, and I’m certain I’m not the only woman (or man) who’d do so.
Teri — I deleted another paragraph (this post was too long) where I addressed that — I wish more men would feel comfortable wearing really feminine scents. IMHO there is nothing sexier than discovering the guy next to you is wearing, say, a rose frag. I try things on the Cheese and other men occasionally, and they tend to “man up” even a really feminine thing. There must be something too femme, but I can’t think of what it is.
I don’t seem to be manly enough to man up Boudoir by V. Westwood, *the* delicious rose, but one that I haven’t taken out for a ride outside the safety of my home. Agree, though, that gender labelling is so out. And Gaultier2 rocks! 🙂
I don’t know, Dusan — Boudoir smells pretty wonderful, what does your girlfriend think of it on you?:d
HI! You touched on a few things I’ve been thinking about lately, reading basenotes entries, and just sort of musing about fragrance in general. One is, if the fragrance doesn’t tell a story or paint a picture, is it any good? For instance, many offerings on the men’s counters smell *good* but don’t tell a story, or paint a picture like other department store fragrances such as Terre d’Hermes or Arpege Pour Homme. I use RSVP by Kenneth Cole or Attitude (which is actually kind of strangely unique and thought provoking) as examples… They smell good, I really like them, but I don’t think to buy them because they just smell good, like a big block of “that smells good”, but they don’t twist and turn and waltz and tell stories. Some of the comments I read about male fragrances being horribly monstrously boring or similar are true but some perfumer made them, and they do smell nice, and I’m sure a lot of skill went into their composition, whether it seems so or not… the years of education or family lineage which follow the perfumer’s creative gestures, be they found in the mall or not. The question I always ask myself is, “why”? I think Lacoste should look over a couple feet to the fragrances next to it and say, “why did we spend millions to create and promote this, when THEY already did it??” I’m sure there’s an answer there I’m not aware of.
At any rate, you did highlight some of the really great newer offerings. I think once one has experienced the other side of perfumery, the world of imagery and poetry and little novels in a bottle, its hard to see the validity in a lot of the clones being released these days. But I always feel bad knocking anything because of the knowledge and study that goes behind anything. I think we are just now seeing a fragrance trend… now it’s fresh/woody/vanilla (I think aquatic is actually falling behind maybe!)… I actually can’t wait to see what the next trend will be.
I just reread my comment and it kinda sounded like I was reacting to comments you’d made “knocking” fragrances… no no no no no 🙂 I was just simply finding my moment to mention some of the thoughts I’ve been having about the world of male perfumery these days 🙂 I was actually going WITH your comment that they often just plain smell GOOD, but don’t offer a ton of inspiration.
Anthony — thanks for your thoughts, and I understood your original comments the way you meant them! Although today’s weird centering format is hard for me to cope with, not sure why… I like Armani Attitude a lot, and let’s argue about that :)>- because I actually *like* some fragrances that don’t twist and turn… it sounds like we’re in agreement about the plethora of boring smell-alikes, but after riding awhile with the challenging scents, sometimes all I want is the fragrance equivalent of a cupcake. It took me a year or two to come around to this position — I wanted everything to be weird and/or intense. But there’s room in most people’s wardrobe for a couple of nice-but-kinda boring scents … and that spot tends (for me) to be filled by mainstream stuff like Hilary Duff With Love (no, seriously) and KenzoAmour (rice steam! mmmmmm!) I’d file Attitude in the Same box. You are right, though — why do we need shelves full of dull product?
Regarding product marketing and development — people who know a whole lot more about it than I do are disgusted with the whole process. Luca Turin did a post on Duftnote recently talking about how he was discouraging a couple of bright young things from becoming perfumers, because it’s such a suck job and you spend your whole time making things like the new Britney Spears.
You listed all my favourites! Well, except Le Male, which I have an appreciation for but love it most certainly ain’t — I get easily suffocated by its muchness of muchness. Have been dying to try that MJ, even more so now after reading your review (I know Vika loves it, Robin uh-uh). If you’re interested, you might want to add two manly figs to your list — Dior’s Dune (aloof but not stand-offish) and Davidoff’s Good Life (fig to the power of 2? 3?). Neither is figgishly sweet like, say, Premier Figuier Extreme which I had to scrub off the other day before it nearly sent me into sugar coma.
Kitchen Stories. A low-key Swedish (Danish? I’m hopelessly ignorant) drama/comedy. Descriptors: weird, poignant. Do check it out!
I miss Pattina. Sigh. But I love you two (where the heck is Bryan?).
Really, Victoria likes it? That always makes me feel better about something, like I guessed the right answer.:”> I know, I need to get over myself. Thanks for the recommendations for other frags to try. Le Male I like better than Fleur, but I think you and I share the love for Gaultier2.
Well, I’m not much of a fig person, but you have persuaded me to give this a try. I kinda like the centered look, too. And I’m VERY jealous of all you DC-area types. You MUST come up North sometime, March (even if it’s only to NY–I can get there often).:)
Lord, don’t try it then! If you don’t even like fig you’ll smell it and think, March has completely lost her mind./:) It’s not masterfully genius — I just blogged on it because I smell so few mainstream scents that I think are well done and interesting, but not TOO interesting, if that makes sense.
I will get to your neighborhood sooner or later. And I may be going back to NYC in January (brrr!)
Apparently it’s only the American computer screens that are “wonky”-mine’s a bit off, but after very little sleep, it looks fine. I’ll just tilt my head a bit…
Thanks for the mention of our local sniffa-I am way excited (psyched, even) to meet all the sniffers. Only thing lacking-those that won’t be able to join us, for reasons of time or distance. Please know we will be sniffing for you all. Probably eating some chocolate, too.
One minor note for attendees-we decided to lunch at Clyde’s-it’s just a bit quieter, and maybe faster-more time for hunting. I am hoping we’ll find the MJ on our trip, and some real surprises, too.
Must see the movie. I have horrible luck with movies lately-either they’ve been disappointing, or sold out (!). Wonder (I stole your new word, March!) how the girls felt about Bianca, given their newly-forming concepts of the whole dating thing.
Hey, March, remind me about that driving thing if I ever propose a road trip…/:)
I would have told you the truth and turned you down! Travel as a concept I’m fine with; being trapped in a car makes me insane.[-(
That was the only part of the movie I was worried about. They handled it pretty deftly — jokes, but a very minor point ultimately. I think Diva got it but didn’t care; Enigma I think it went over her head, it was just a big doll, ya know? And he wasn’t sleeping with Bianca — hey, she’s a missionary with morals. He was very clear about that.
I’ll be with you gals in spirit on your DC Sniffa. Have some chocolate and sniffs for me. Would you believe I never ate at Clyde’s? Hugs all around. 😡
>:d< And hugs back!
Good cartoon! I liked the MJ, but haven’t road tested it by itself, will have to do that.
Sariah, I still can’t fathom the MJ Mystery — I *must* have tried this at some point, looking for an unusual men’s scent, but I really think I’d remember. OTOH I struck out trying to sample it at Nordstrom and Sephora, both of which carry MJ for women, so maybe it’s not as widely available and I *didn’t* try it. I finally found a tester at the funny Perfumania store in Wheaton, where they’re getting a little less thrilled to see me … I maybe better buy something in there before they throw me out.
See you Saturday!
Absolutely must get to a store and try that Marc Jacobs.
If my life were less insanely crunched at the moment and less car phobic I think I would try to pretend that a five hour (well, four if I drive instead of DH)to D.C. actually qualifies as being “in the D.C. area” – sounds like a blast!
Really looking forward to Patty’s post on Friday.
I hate driving. Hate it. Loathe it. I generally try to set things up so the Cheese drives, he’s the fast one. The family joke is that of the six of us, I’m the one who’s going to get left on the side of a rural highway for whining and tantrums. Four hours is my maximum time in a car, more or less.
I take the Vamoose bus back and forth to NYC, love that thing — 25 bucks each way, more $ for perfume! I can’t remember where you are, any chance public transport reaches here? I would love to meet you.
I truly am close to driving phobic, but I have to confess that when I do get in a car, I tend to speed as I just want to get out again as quickly as possible. But I’m also a total chicken about merging onto highways like D.C.’s beltline or that ring road around Atlanta. I will drive *long* distances to get around having to get on them. DH knows we could never live in LA or any major driving city – I’d be housebound. Planes and subways are my favorite modes of transport. We live in NC and, other than flying, there aren’t great options for exiting the state. I hope I’ll meet you at some future Sniffa – maybe one of the NY ones, as I get up there more frequently.
We live near Chevy Chase Circle (one of those big traffic circles) it took me awhile to get my nerve up to drive around it, and I still avoid the Beltway when I can.
Glad you got your sniffer round the Marc Jacobs… My tuppence worth – I love this for the first 30 minutes, almost enough to buy it – but the drydown is a little too generic for me. I guess I’ll stick – like Robin no doubt – with Philosykos. Though, hell, it’s one of the best in the men’s section (and I really enjoy Arpege too).
Jealous of the sniffa, psyched to hear from the beloved Patty, and now urgently need to see that film (has another favourite Patty of mine in it – the wonderful Clarkson).
And I’d happily be Rat. To hell with the consequences.
Thank God Patty’s coming back. Look how weird this looks! Is it centered on your screen? I have zero idea how to fix any of this stuff.
I’m excited for the sniffa — I think there will be several people there I haven’t met before.
I really miss Patty. I’m glad she went, and I think she had a great time, but I miss chatting with her.:(
Yeah it’s centred. What did you do, daftie?
It’s the button labeled “moron”; I *told* Patty if she didn’t remove it there’d be trouble. And look. Somehow I’ve pushed it again.8-}