Okay, it’s official — Patty and I will be in L.A. the weekend of March 14th. Why? Just for the fun of it. I’m going because Patty will drive, and Patty thought driving in Italy was fun so you know she’s crazy. We are planning some sniffage, some Retail Therapy, and … you tell me! What else should we do? This is my first visit to L.A.
Franco at the Scent Bar has graciously offered to open early on Saturday the 14th and throw us a Posse Party! So polish up your spurs and dust off your saddlebags, because that morning (probably at 10 am) we’ll all be gathering for freeeeee Liquid Refreshments and Other Goodies, and you’re invited! We’re mulling the most efficient way to maintain an RSVP list because Franco would like to have a rough guesstimate. We’ll keep you posted as we organize more of the details, I think Patty’s setting something up on Facebook. So … anybody want to come? De-lurk and say so! Also feel free to put the word out there to fellow MUAers, POL, etc. If you have any suggestions for where else I should post this (does MUA have a bulletin board?) let me know. I am really excited.
Also, Musette suggested a fun game — Barack Obama’s transitional team called you in a panic — you’re going to be his fragrance advisor (it’s a new position at the White House, and it pays really well!) What should he wear to the inauguration? For the festivities? On a daily basis? How about Michelle, what fragrance(s) should she wear? Alternately, what fragrance will you wear for any inaugural events? I know some of you have already been down to the Mall for the musical events.
I decided 2009 was going to be a year to try new things, so this morning I’m having oral surgery! I hear it’s tons of fun. I’m planning on spending this afternoon jacked up on Vicodin watching reruns of House, assuming all goes well, so keep your toes crossed! I’m planning on not wearing any perfume, because who wants a favorite scent indelibly associated with oral surgery? Also I will be painting my nails blue.
Finally, here’s my annual photo of my heavily perfumed orchid that is blooming again. One of you suckered me into buying this ridiculous thing several years ago after I did an orchid post, I stuck it in a window and have been actively neglecting it ever since. It responds to this tough love with the spectacular bloomage you see here, which goes on for days and smells fantastic.
Cheers!
confetti image: thegreenpages.com
Have had it with snow. Will there be shirtsleeves in LA? Marking calendar…
Hi All!
I’m a lurker living in SoCal and would love to meet some of you other fragaddicts! Meeting at ScentBar sounds like a great time.
March, I love your amazing site, thanks so much for all the time and passion you put into it. I’ve not posted here before and hope this will end up in the proper place…apologies if it doesn’t.
The world of scent is just fascinating to me, alas, I have not one friend who shares this affliction-odd but true. I seem to have accumulated an interesting budding collection over the last year and can’t wait to try more-like wine-so many that I’m just dying to try. Schedule permitting, please count me in!
Jan
Aha! But I think that’s why so many of us wind up on here — at least initially, we have nobody to share our strange habit with. (I’ve since made perfumista friends in the area.)
I’d be delighted to meet you in LA, the time and place are set — 10am the 14th, Scent Bar. Hope you can come.
Count me in to play at Scentbar in LA!!!
Looking forward to it.
Thanks, Arwen, can’t wait to meet you.
Wow, that sounds kind of interesting. Not sure I’ll make it there from Santa Barbara — could you arrange to have some other XY-Chromosomed Perfumistos there so I don’t feel so… outnumbered? LOL. If you’re starting a mailing list, my email is in the comments and I’d be happy to RSVP on FaceBook.
A little late, but I’d put both Obama’s in some kind of Amouage (Gold? Jubilation? Homage Attar?) for the inauguration. For everyday…. hmm, maybe Barry could be in something like Guerlain Vetiver.
Dude. We LOVE HAVING MEN THERE. Although you are making me laugh. Back in the day, when my husband was a rookie residential real estate agent, there was only one other man in the fairly large office. He told my husband later that when they were casting around for new blood, and looking at potential employees and discussing desired attributes, the other agent said, I think we should get someone with a (male member)! 😉 So they did. Not that those women didn’t have some serious huevos already… I’m puttin ya on the list.
I will put a list together of Fragrant Delights in LALA Land for you.
If you would like to drop into my little fragrant studio for some sniffing and tea, please let me know, it would be a pleasure.
Roxana
Hi Roxie! You’re helping make this an IRRESISTABLE trip! (gotta make this happen…)
Vida, can you come? And can your mom come! We loved you and your mom.
Vidalove!
Oh, PLEASE, come out to LA….we can continue our fun from the NYC Sniffa. What can I entice you with…French Carnation Absolute, Indian Agarwood or Jasmine? Or does your heart yearn for Citrus?
You guys are slaying me. (Runs off to check $$ stashes…)
Hey, your website is gorgeous. You’re outside LA, right? 😕
Thank you for the kudos to my website.
I am addicted to beauty…so I weave it in as much of my life as possible.
:d
I am in LA just not in Hollywood, in the Santa Monica Mountains.
Can’t wait to hang with fellow perfumistas, how fun!!
:xOK,guuurls…..to choose somethig for the First Couple(!)to wear,totally ,I say totally overwhelms my..duh…brain….they are both so multi-faceted…what I’m dying to know(someone,PLEASE find out)…what fragrances do they really wear????:d
Blessings of oral healing March!
I am seriously trying to figure out if I can get down to LA on March 14th. That would be so flippin fun! :d
I quickly scanned eveyone’s posts. Did anyone mention the girl who commented that Michelle O. smelled like cherries?
http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scentedsalamander/2008/11/scented_quote_anecdote_of_the.html
LA sounds like fun. I’ll have to see when my winter break is and if DH will be able to survive two small kids on his own…I am going to be daring and say that Obama should wear L’air du désert marocain – dreamy! Not terribly presidential, but who cares??
I was going to suggest that for Michelle Obama..lol..
squeee…LA scent bar!! I am crossing my fingers that I can come as I am only an hour away! But March 14th is close to the end of quarter so am hoping nothing comes up in the last moment! I can’t wait to see you all..:)
Good Luck with the surgery!!
As for scents for the Obama’s- for Michelle Obama..hmm..I can imagine her wear something made by a niche/indepedent perfumer rather than something by a big perfume house..I can imagine her wearing Bois Blond, Andy’s RdJ or even SIP’s Magazine Street which is one of the easier to wear perfumes from the line.
I’d love to have Michelle Obama wear FM Une Rose or a Montale Aoud ( Black Aoud?)..maybe Aoud Blossoms..I am wearing my sample of TF’s Black Violet today- it has never wowed me before- but today I’m really liking it-I can see Michelle Obama wearing this one too…
I can imagine Barack Obama wearing Bulgari Black (no pun intended) for some reason..
Will get back if I think of more appropriate scents..:)
I meant ‘for the Obamas’ not ‘Obama’s’..too many typos (some more that I won’t bother correcting..lol)
Maybe Ellie D for Michelle Obama (layered with either Encens Mystic or Bois blond?)..I *can* actually imagine her wearing a big perfume like Fracas but since I am not a big fan of Fracas that won’t be my choice..:P
Hi there
oh wow. This is great. I wish I could be there at the scentbar, too!
I think you must get to the Getty Center. This is a wonderful place to be. Do the garden tour. It is worth it.
Thanks, Andy. We are looking for Things To Do.
There’s also the Getty Villa in Malibu which is pretty neat. It just reopened.
The Obamas really should wear American perfumes, IMHO. When you’re the President and First Lady, you’ve got to represent.
I know little to nothing about men’s perfumes, so I can’t really comment on what would be suitable for the President. For Michelle Obama, Donna Karan most anything would be a good choice, I think. I have fond memories of the original Donna Karan for women, and I think they just brought it back, right?
Ms. Obama’s patronage of lesser-known American clothing designers is well-documented, so I think she could easily go American niche–one of the less outre CBIHPs maybe, or SIP (Lady Day! Lady Day!).
Wouldn’t it be great if someone created perfumes for the Obamas (not bespoke, I mean something that everyone could buy)?
Mulling over this topic, it’s clear that American perfumery needs serious, serious help. There’s just not a lot to choose from.
Taking another ‘break’ (as in ‘gimme a’/:) from painting this room –
I, too, thought about SIP’s Lady Day but was nervous about the drug addiction connotations (nobody ever thinks about Lady Day anymore without thoughts of her needle tracks). With the Chgo Tribune doing an actual article on Michelle Obama’s having her eyebrows done – you jes’ KNOW the media would have a field day with the Lady Day concept.
Other than that, it’s a gorgeous scent and perfect for her, I think!
xo>-) (at this rate I’ll finish painting this room during the SECOND Obama administration!)
You rock the paint, Musette! Keep going! <:-p I am kind of getting into the white floral for Michelle, being bantered about on different spots here...wonder if maybe Drama Nuui is the thing for her? (Green for something new and fresh, with the white flower depth and oomph...)
Painting done! (at least the big parts!!!)< :-p I, too, thought of my beloved Drama Nuui - I went with Diorissimo Extrait because it is so classic - but! I suspect Michelle could work that DNuui like nobody's business! xo>-)
Silly us, we’ve ignored the next Commander-in-Chief’s not so secret vice. He’ll need some L’Anarchiste, to both smell good and have an excuse for the tobacco waft…
Michelle seems both very grounded and very complex. The rose I’d give her is the Amouage Lyric; the meetings during the day I quietly slay you without you even needing to know, I’d offer Jolie Madame; the keeping it light and having fun with the family, an Eau Imperiale or Mandragore. (Because, on those keeping it light days, she might also have need to fend off a headache or two…)
I like the idea of a super scent on her, like Musette’s Mitsouko. Hey, what if she had a vintage Habanita extrait (fighting Barack’s tobacco fire with fire)…I’ll bet she’d put a good spin on that one. Absent that, Vol de Nuit? Love the idea of taking flight…and she could probably work that one, too. Of course, on history alone, Sous le Vent, supposedly created for Josephine Baker…but also on that path is Arpege, Baker’s favorite, and also supposedly worn by Jackie Kennedy. THAT’s a Michelle combo.
I’ll be looking forward to seeing you both!:d
Me too! 😡
YAY! So glad you ladies are coming to LA! I’ll be at Scent Bar on the 14th with bells on! ha. Enjoy your vicodin. ha.
I sort of picture Barack as a Tumulte for men kinda guy.
We will see you there! I can’t wait to meet you.
For Michelle, I keep coming back to Creed Love In Black. That whole Camelot thing keeps bouncing around in my head. Of course that’s strictly based on title! For him I think Le 3me Homme would be amazing. But given one of their daughter’s allergies, they might have to go without any fragrance. GASP!
Michelle seems like a Chanel No. 19 to me.
Ouch! Hope the surgery went well and you heal quickly. The last time I had oral surgery was for the 2nd round of gum grafts, and it was singularly unpleasant (no food for 2 weeks, no pain meds, bonus infection as a parting gift), but seeing as I lost 20 pounds in 2 weeks, I can recommend it as the cheapest weight loss surgery available. @-)
As for the presidential perfume, Barak looks like a Creed man to me…I’m thinking maybe Tabarome for the power meetings, and Cypres Musc or Himalaya for the day-to-day. Michelle’s a little harder to peg. For her I’d get at least one rose (something about first ladies and roses), probably Paestum Rose or Rose Ikebana, nothing that would scare the kiddies. For dressier occasions, I’m thinking she could go a little more adventurous, maybe that Jubilation XXV (the men’s), or Onda.
I once posted on NST that I’d read a blog comment by someone who claimed to base her electoral choices on how the candidates smelled; she further claimed to have smelled both Obama and McCain, and she said Obama smelled fabulous, like ink and limes, while McCain smelled like Halls Mentho-lyptus and, uh, pee. So, ever since then I have fantasized that Barack Obama wears Comme des Garcons 2! I’d put Michelle in something classic and strong, like Patou’s Cocktail or one of the powerhouse Guerlains. Oh, and thank you so much for my appointment — will this be a Cabinet-level position, and will it be contingent upon Senate confirmation? Because I have a few skeletons in my closet…
That is hilarious. And you know Obama smells good, whatever he’s wearing. 🙂
so ‘ewww’ on the Mentholyptus and Pee. See, that’s why I steered both of the Obamas away from anything sweaty/pee-y. I love the idea of Michelle in Cocktail. Or even Normandie! I adore Vacances but it has a bit of a roundness to it that begs for open space (and warm weather. try as I might I cannot reconcile myself to wearing it in the winter). If I didn’t hate Hermes so much I would, perhaps, put Mr Obama in Poivre Samarcande. Perhaps.
For her, the powerhouse Guerlain could either be Jicky or Mitsouko – I’m partial to Mitsouko in parfum. (I know, I know, I already said it – just yakking on here, trying to avoid going back in and finishing this painting:-s
For all the Camelot comparison, Michelle is actually way more difficult to peg, fashion and scent-wise (my opinion, plus Jackie is already an icon). Both strong, elegant women, their strength is, nevertheless, differently portrayed. I could see Jackie in Fracas (lightly applied, PLEASE!) but not Michelle. And I can’t see Jackie in Jicky (say that fast 10 times!) She looked GREAT on the train, with that elegant camel coat and gloves – I’m praying she stays the course for the inaugural ball – her election night dress (with sweater) scared me! It was like they took the runway dress (size 00) and added those two satin(?) panels. Scary.
okay – I’ll shut up now and get back to painting.
xo>-)
Oooh, oooh! Kinda late here, but how about L’Air du Desert Marocain for him and Incense Rose for her?
Yeah, that election night outfit was sort of wussy, I thought — taking a slinky little number and sticking a black cardigan on top to de-sexify it didn’t quite work. She could have either rocked the sexiness or picked something more subdued, but instead she got stuck somewhere in the middle.
…remembering our horrible Hermes experience during ChiCocoa Scentsation…sheesh!
That was just absurd, wasn’t it? But you know that fish rots from the head down and I’m not overfond of Hermes anyway (though I do love me a Birkin bag or twelve:”> However, given how insane that young woman was (and I still assert that she wouldn’t have had the nerve, did Corporate not countenance that sort of behavior from Paris to Shanghai)
But you rocked the hockey sticks out of that gorgeous neck-thingy. You and your family are so beautiful – how is your lovely mom? Is she still enjoying Herve Leger?
xoxoxo>-)
Mom loves her Herve, still tears up thinking about the fun we had! She should go to LA and meet up with the Posse there for more!
Your mom was such fun. Do you think she’d come to LA? In any case, clearly we need to do a Portland OR meetup.
And ps for what it’s worth, every time I see/smell Herve now, I think of your mom! 😡 And that makes ME happy.
Quick tip: I hear one should NOT paint one’s nails (finger or toe) before surgery– doctors and nurses need to be able to see the actual color of your nails to assess your condition. If the nails are turning blue, it means you need more oxygen, or something like that? Can some medical professional comment on this?
Too late! Actually I hear that’s true if you’re going in for gen-u-wine surgery. This was done under local in an office, so the assistant merely commented on the pretty color.
Right, local anesthesia should pose no problems. I’ve had “twilight” anesthesia for oral surgery– knocked me out completely for hours, then left me feeling like a wet noodle the rest of the day. Hope you feel better than that. Ice cream is a nice treat after oral surgery; the “ice pack” effect eases soreness. Eat it from an iced-tea spoon (long handle, teeny bowl) for maximum pampering and minimal stress on mouth and jaws.
Good luck with the surgery and have fun watching House from a drug-induced state 🙂 You ignored your orchid and it performed for you! I couldn’t get mine to bloom past the flowers on it when it was given to me, and I eventually killed the thing (probably trying too hard to nurture it.) Do you remember what it was you didn’t do? And how much light it got?
thanks, I’m too stupid to fend off my 6 year old so she took over the TV to wastch Dora.
Wos, I better get off of here before my typing gets any more random.
Here let me go look. I did a post on orchid fragrances. Orchids are fussy I guess, and I am terrible with houseplants anyway. This one wants light (south window) and I water it maybe twice a month and have never even fed it. Thir/fourth bloom? And the perfume is phenomenal. If I move it into indirect light after it blooms, they last for two weeks.
crap, the tag’s gone! let me dig around, I know I put the name of it in a previous post.
Found it, btw I see last year it bloomed around Valentines Day.
“Awhile back I did a post on an orchid scent (I think Shiseido’s Message from Orchids), and one of you readers suckered me into buying a “low maintenance†fragrant orchid I could get to bloom myself! It’s called Purple Cascade “Fragrance Princess.†blah blah blah
I think I had it for probably a year before it bloomed. It’s a cattleya? I got it from orchids.com
Thanks so much, I’ll have to try it again…I love orchids. I had them all over my wedding. I thought I had a green thumb until I managed to kill three jades (who kills succulents? Good grief.)
I’ve owned three different orchid-scented creams, not sure if I like that scent. My wedding orchids (Japhette and dendrobium, I think) had no perceivable fragrance. I will try the Shiseido frag, though. I know real gardenia smells nothing like gardenia-scented creams, at least not the ones I’ve tried.
Your typing-on-Vicodin is adorable 🙂 One of my coworkers calls it vitamin V…
Hey! We have the same bedroom curtains…
For President Obama, I would suggest vintage Guerlain Vetiver for a couple of reasons: first, because it was born in the Kennedy era and I think that Camelot connection would be an appropriate metaphor. Then because it’s a fragrance full of interesting oppositions that remind me of Obama himself–it’s both smooth but precise, distinct but with a lingering subtlety that gives it a surprising mass appeal and it speaks of a mature man who is confident enough to wear his power lightly.
Bush is clearly a Stetson man. I’ll leave it at that.
My question for others is: what should Rick Warren wear? I’ll admit, this choice is still taking some of the shine off of the Inaugural apple for me. Grrrr.
Michelle is harder to figure. She’s obviously something of a risk taker in her fashion sense (and while that Election night dress was a failure, I want to defend it as a kind of a brilliant, exciting failure), but still she would be required to wear something pretty classic as befits her status and place in history.
I’m dying to hear others opinions on this. Great topic!
March, I hope you feel better soon. House could be tricky-exploding eyeballs, spinal taps and Vicodin may be a strange brew– but as long as Hugh Laurie is involved in any way, I think you’re in good hands.
Well, you have excellent taste. 🙂
I keep wanting to put Michelle in a white floral, like Fracas but less powdery. I can’t decide. Donna Karan Gold, maybe?
I actually love the idea of her wearing Fracas. Now there’s an interesting surprise choice. And she has so much charisma that she could totally pull it off. Plus there’s the added benefit that, in my experience, men are absolutely foolish for that scent. She could really slay some world leaders in that one!
SL A La Nuit for Michelle – smells like optimism! :d
Hi guys! 🙂 So four fragrances came to mind when thinking about Barack Obama. Instantly: Bois 1920 Classic Extreme and Nasomatto Duro, which at least to me project a self-assured, yet soft, grounded image. If he’s a more than two fragrances kinda guy, I’d add Terre d’Hermes, and perhaps Amouage Jubilation XXV. Could you imagine a pause in middle eastern relations talks to discuss perfumery in the middle east and asia? 🙂
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, Barack would smell sooooooooo scrumptious. Also he needs to avoid anything skeevy-sounding, like China White, or Dirty English, no matter how good it smells.
OMG how I wish I could go. We go to LA in August usually to see the DH’s family and get out of the GA steambath for a week. For a quintessential LA experience, go to Pink’s Hot Dogs (which is on La Brea, close to the Scent Bar) preferably late at night. Not only do they have the best gut-bomb hot dogs and most florescent chili west of the Mississippi, everybody in town — rockers, celebs, bums, skaters, clubbers, everybody — lines up there to get them. With only a weekend, don’t try to go far, you’ll spend the whole time in traffic. Save a couple of those pain pills in case that happens, btw.
The Obamas — geez, I don’t know what they should wear. Something American I guess. I’m still reeling from watching Pete Seeger and Bruce Springsteen do “This Land is Your Land” at the concert yesterday. Takes a lot to make me weep, but that did it.
I hear the concert was great! I’m hoping they will rerun it. My dad watched something in the afternoon and said it was really good too.
Thanks for the LA tip.
Thanks for posting that, Olfacta. I thought I was the only one sniffling away.
Oh, good timing, March! 🙂 I spent Clinton’s first inauguration jacked up (there’s no better way to describe it) on a lush cornucopia of drugs to treat a particularly nifty bout of pneumonia. I’m not sure if anyone else enjoyed that inauguration as much as I did!
LA trip sounds lovely. We’re still planning on the pilgrimmage to Portland–no fitting in LA too. Ah well.
Off to ponder the First Fragrance–what a terrific concept to play with all day!
I had this nasty bacterial throat invection once (forgive the typing, I give up) and I wound up on Percocet. Best two weeks of my life. It’s a good thing drugs are regulated.
Good luck on your surgery! Vicodin and House? Are you sure that’s a combination you want to make?
I want to put the Obamas in all my favorites because I just admire them so much.:x
But I bet there is some pressure for them to wear American perfumes, so for her, perhaps Donna Karan Black Cashmere or EL Private Collection Tuberose Gardenia or the original Private Collection? For him, somebody on MUA said that John Varvatos “smells like win” and they’re right! I love the Varvatos for men.
I like the TG! Good suggestion, American…. that could be her “heady” frag and Amber Ylang could be the quiet one.
So somebody was thinking the same thing as me: what, if any, scent or perfume does Michelle Obama wear. Once she’s First Lady, does she have to wear only American perfumes? It seems there’s always pressure/policy that the First Lady only wear clothes by American designers. And while we’re on the subject of transition, could they please update some of the White House decor? American style is great and I love American antiques, but those bedrooms are looking like period rooms from some quaint historical house.
I think she should wear whatever perfume she wants. I’m still struggling with what to recommend though!
That’s a great orchid, March! Mine just don’t seem to thrive on active neglect the same way yours does.. :-w
L.A. sounds like a great time — enjoy! I’ll be hip deep in corporate planning strategies and positively pea green with envy during the whole weekend.
Hope the surgery goes well (and quickly)!
Well, I specifically got this neglecto-orchid based on this commenter’s recommendations. I should look it up. It wants sun, sits in my south window, I forget about it water it once amonth maybe and every year it does this. I am a good gardener but terrible with houseplants.
LA sniffa? I wish. But it’s not to be – saving my pennies for a big trip in June. I bet it will be a hoot. Hope your surgery goes well.
Good luck with the surgery, March @};- When you feel like it, I can drop off a few special Vicodin-filled dark truffles, along with some fine aged scotch…the combo is lovely, though House may seem even odder than usual 8-|
Think we can get a group airline flight from DC to LA for that weekend? I’d love to go (shhh, don’t tell my family I might be out west for a weekend).
I’ll post this on MUA a few times, should be quite a few California perfumistas there <:-p
Hey, I, um, *brushed* my teeth today…I think I need me some of those goodies… =p~
Yeah? Well, I folded laundry this morning…unmedicated 😮 !
Well, I am painting an entire bedroom with a torn rotor cuff (doing breathing exercises to get through it). So TRUFFLES FOR ME, PLEASE! Nobody else to do it and the carpet installer comes Wednesday. I’d wrestle a Longhorn for a Vicodin right now. No Vicodin or longhorns around, alas, so Tylenol w/ codeine will have to do.
For Mme Michelle – Inauguration: Mitsouko parfum. She’s gonna need it (that has to be an overwhelming experience) – the ball itself calls for something, well, FESTIVE! This is where she can channel her inner Jacqueline (hey, there are worse style icons to be compared to!) This is such a glorious occasion for her………I would possibly consider Diorissimo extrait. Given the crush of folks I would avoid anything ‘sweaty’. Were I her I might also consider L’Artisan Verte Violette – I love the elegance of violets and eveningwear.
For Mr Obama, I am thinking Guerlain Vetiver. I know he has ‘steely resolve’ but I’m putting myself in his shoes – and already I have a headache!!!So Vetiver would be a great choice for keeping the pain at bay.
😕 maybe I should come back to this after the meds kick in – I’m focusing too much on the hurty aspects right now.
March, ‘House’ and dizzifyin’ pain meds?? – now that’s a combo!
xoxo>-)
Oops. I missed your comment before I made my own, in which case I wouldn’t have rambled on about Vetiver and just said “yeah, what she said…” But it’s interesting that we immediately came to the same conclusion.
yes, but your rationale is considerably more elegant!
xo>-)
Guerlain Vetiver excellent choice. Classic.
Well hey, that sounds like a fun way to spend a Monday! (If you start carrying a cane and being a grouch, you’ve gone too far.) On the bright side: it will soon be over and they really do have decent anaesthetics these days.
Love that fabulous orchid.
And I’m sure Basenotes.net would be a good place to post your plans – you have to register, but its free.
Get well soon.
x
Look, I survived! I am waaaay too loaded to be typing on here. I’m like the drug version of Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off, speaking of a really great country song.
I had a frenectomy. Feels like a lobotomy. Also, what is wrong with my tuping?
Jose Cuervo is a friend of mine. (starting a tequila-themed CW song earworm train)
I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frenectonomy. (did that work???)
Is this pacing right for the Vicodin??? 8-} ;);))