It´s been a weird year, sparking some odd reflection which landed me in Vintage Village. I started rolling around in the old Cotys from my mother´s day and in doing so I found some incredible gems. All the extant-vintage favorites are achingly beautiful, with an aura that speaks of years of careful crafting. I thought they took forever to create and were few in number. Then looked at the Coty timeline (and I had to hunt to find it – thank you PerfumeProjects!! The lame-o Coty website would have you think all Francois did was make two or three perfumes, buy a building and eat potato chips) – anyhoo, then I looked at the Coty timeline and there is NO space between scents. From La Rose Jacqueminot* in 1904 through the 50s they come fast and furious – at least one a year – it´s a staggering list . So why do they smell so complex and interesting? Scary ingredients? No focus groups in t-shirts? What? But there are so many Cotys during Francois´s reign alone! – I´d love to know which ones died ignoble deaths. Somewhere out there is a chest with Every. Single. Coty that Francois made – I just know it. And it has my name on it. Somewhere.
* La Rose J: I´m not going there. What little vintage there is costs the Earth. Fugeddaboutit. Right? Right?
My mother wore the 60s Coty triumverate: L´Aimant, L´Origan and Emeraude colognes, preferring them to more expensive scents because …well, never mind about the whorehouse. I´m glad it took me forever – and the Posse- to revisit – who knew there were vintage Coty perfumes, so divine, so worthy of my adoration. I now have 3 vintage L´Origans, each bustin´ a cap in my psyche every time I undo their little Bakelite lids. Oh, baby. As you can imagine, they´re all different but they all have that balanced complexity. A melange of clove-y carnation, violets and heliotrope – there´s iris in there, too, but I can´t smell it (if I ever get mugged it will be by an iris). It is supposedly the model upon which L´Heure Bleu was formed and if so, they couldn´t have chosen a more reflective, beautifully melancholic scent. It sighs of Debussy and crumbly sables and phonographs and soft Parisian rain. Vintage Emeraude perfume (a cheapo find) is of such lushness, like an emerald green-and-gold cashmere swing coat , exquisitely tailored, with tortoiseshell buttons. It´s not an iron fist in a velvet glove; though it has extreme power, it´s all seduction, no shrieking aggression. It´s more like a vampire in a velvet gown. You´re in it before you know it – and you´re Hers. Vintage ONLY. Go near the new stuff and it´ll blow your heart out with a napalm-filled slug.
We can´t even get into the sparkling fabulosity that is L´Aimant, lest I start dancing the Mamooshka. Suffice to say, it´s an aldehyde junkie´s dream, to me, a little more easygoing than No. 5. I yarked about it on the Top 10 last week in my boneheaded way – but I do love it so. I´m so sure M. Coty is spinning in his elegant grave, hearing me liken it to really good root beer. But ya know….really good root beer is really good!
Don´t forget the vintage caveat: YBMV. And don´t come sobbing to me if you spritz the current drugstore swill. Don´t do it. None of it. I´m tellin´ ya.
Oh! Before you leave: Balmain, my darling Pierre, so smart to hire La Cellier. Such a revelation. I worried through an impulse buy – a Heart Attack in a Bottle, mid-era Jolie Madame parfum that is so beautiful and so precise that the breath caught in my throat, as I was thrown into an alternate total recall universe where every memory was perfect, if only for that moment. Funny thing is, I never wore Jolie Madame. I wore Vent Vert because it was green, just like me but now, as gorgeous as the vintage is, it seems not quite right? on me, like wearing tube socks and a short, pleated skirt. Jolie Madame now seems perfect, like she was just waiting, all this time, for me to grow the hell up. Well here I am, Madame. Old as dirt. Dang. But what a way to slide into that certain age´.
Btw, I´ll bet people were scared to death of Mme G-is-for-Genius. Smart move. Anybody who can create Vent Vert, JMadame AND Fracas is worthy of serious respect – if not outright fear!
I would write about more vintage revelations but this is getting way long. And a neighbor´s dog just got skunked, poor thing – and now the whole block stinks and all the perfume in the Universe can´t beat a pissed-off skunk. You are off the hook. Go sniff some vintage. Tell me all about it. You can thank the skunk later.
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Loved this review of some of the vintage perfumes out there….recently tried L’Aimant on EBay…and originally thought..uh oh…it’s definitely gone off to a horrible place….but no…on the skin it is utterly charming and addictive. It’s my early morning perfume.
You come over here, sit right by me, darlin’!
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La Belle Enabler March prompted me to go looking for some vintage Emeraude, and I’m so glad. I have some pdt that is simply gorgeous.
I’m thinking that the stuff I have isn’t all that vintage, plus it’s not extrait — I’m too lazy to get up and check, but it might even be cologne. Which would explain why I’m not feeling it as much as perhaps I should be.
Unlike a lot of frags (and I count vintage L’O in here), vintage Emeraude, IMO, might as well be two different fragrances when you compare the cologne to the perfume. Dunno why, but it tiz, it tiz. You really can get by with vintage L’O cologne, though it’s obviously not as rich as the perfume or PdT (but I have an EdT that will rip your heart out and eat it for lunch, it’s so beautiful)..but Emeraude cologne is just…thin.
L’Aimant perfume is way buttery, which is funny because all the other iterations are sparkly! Very strange. You’ll see!
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Je Reviens was the same way – the extrait was a totally different scent from the edt (or whatever it used to be called). No similarity at all.
It’s funny how some scents work like that isn’t it? Not all, of course (as I mentioned, L’O cologne (vint) has some depth) – but there are some that really stand out! Emeraude for sure and I agree with you on Je Reviens. Mitsouko is another – from EdP on up it’s pretty consistent – but the Edt, in my opinion, is thin and cranky! This weekend, ‘somebody’ is going to meet Mme. Mitsouko in the Real World (I’m talkin’ to YOU, S!;-)
Hee-heeee!
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I love the combination of personal history P.I. and olfactory delight these scented trails can lead us down… I’ve never indulged time travel fantasies as much as I have when it comes to perfume. Though I might succumb to sensory overload…after all, part of the fantasy is understanding the perfume in the context of the time, with attendant other smells…would that be better or worse than my most extreme imaginings, which are both positive and negative?
Can you believe we are approaching new generations of vintage? A partial bottle of Caron Infini just arrived at my door, and yes, it is different from that which I sampled in Nordie’s. It has created a confuzzled forearm on my left side, which currently houses DKNY (the slightly twisted obelisk discontinued one) on the wrist, and Infini in the crook)…different moments on the historical timeline, neither of which even approach the location of your Cotys. Myself, I am hankering for a huff of L’Origan; sounds like its in my wheelhouse.
No, it’s in my traincase!LOL! all of ’em. Let’s holla! we need to lock down a time p.d.q., as my biz folks and famb are chomping away.
I’ll contact you a bit later?
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Very good!
Great post, A! I’ve been down the vintage rabbit hole for quite awhile myself, but you are braver than I am, I think. (But I knew that anyway.)
Oh, I dunno about that! What passes for ‘brave’ is usually me just losing my natural mind and haring off, doing something without giving any thought to the consequences. That it usually turns out okay is just blind, dumb luck!:-D
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Thank you for a really fun trip down memory lane! I enjoyed your vivid descriptions. I remember growing up in the ’60’s our neighborhood pharmacy had a great perfume counter, which carried the Coty’s. If I had had a crystal ball, I would have used my allowance to stock up!
I have this recurring fantasy where I go back to 1950s, armed with $500 (and more $$ and there is no challenge, so the fun is gone – I love to set all these rules, which makes me a real pain), to buy ONLY perfume. It will go into a chest, which I will then be able to access when I go back to my present. You can while away many road-hours compiling a list, particularly when you consider what 1950s prices were (gotta be late 50s, though, so I can score some Doblis and vintage Caleche).
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Musette, your fantasy is mine, except that I haven’t set a dollar limit. At fifties’ prices, though, you’d still have close to 100 bottles. I do get bogged down in details, though. . . such as, how can I supply myself with enough currency of the correct date, so that when my time machine delivers me to my target date I won’t be arrested for passing obviously fake money! At any rate, when those details are solved I’ll be stocking up on perfumes– and on Yardley cosmetics (trip to the ’60s also req’d, and of course to the ’70s for Norell. . .)
The Devil is in those OCD details – but I sincerely believe it’s what makes those kinds of fantasies fun; where’s the challenge in having a bazillion dollars to do with what you will? No. You need to set a dollar limit (the dollars will be chronologically correct) and run from there. You can set it to any timeframe you like – oh, did I mention that in my fantasy you get 3 hours, in any city – but it can only be ONE city (I chose Paris because I am lazy but in a pinch NY Bergdorf in the late 50s would do just fine) – heck, by the time I get through with all the requirements I barely have time to dash into the store and stock up on my treasures!LOL!
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Three hours at I. Magnin in San Francisco in the ’50s. Got it.
Yay! Gretchen’s gonna fetch some Norrell!!! 🙂
Anita – Loved the post! Now about the root beer… what do you consider to be – really good root beer? My husband loves Stewarts and Virgil.
I grew up on A&W, back when you could only get it at those drive-ins. So creamy and yummy. I haven’t found one to compare to that (the drive in, not the current, in-the-can), though El O says there is a place near here that makes homemade root beer – I guess you have to bring your own jugs (maybe that’s not right – something tells me the local health folks might balk at that)….anyway it’s supposedly incredible. Haven’t been there yet.
Tried Stewarts – very good. Will have to look up Virgil.
That spinning sound you hear is M. Coty, doing his best windmill interpretation. That grave could power up Naperville right now! Sorry, Frank!:-)
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Virgil is a fave in our house…we do plenty of taste testing…
well, I’m just gonna have to check out this here Virgil – unless it’s the one my sister made me try – in which case, it’s danged good! worth trying again, methinks.
you and I need to holla! btw – I’m packing up the train case…
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My sister Christy’s first job was at an A&W drive-in, on skates. Floats! Oooh, those floats! Plus the sheer joy of having her have to get it for me and serve it with a smile. Priceless! 😉
Maybe I need to get to a shrink’s chair PDQ, but I resist falling down the vintage rabbit hole precisely because of my mom. She also wore Emeraude, and the Chanels: 5, 19 and 22. And don’t get me started about the crap shoot that is ebay; I’ve heard too many horror stories to trust anyone who says they have some fabulous vintage potion in their possession that they’re just dying to share with the rabid scent hounds of the world.
I am slowly beginning to embrace the vintage “inspired”. I sniffed Estee Lauder’s Jasmine White Moss this past weekend, and I didn’t recoil in horror. And, I totally fell in love with Chanel Beige. There may be hope for me yet.
Funny how we have opposite experiences based on mom’s perfumes. Even though my mother wasn’t a fragrance fanatic, the few that she did wear have sent me on ebay hunts for the vintage versions. I’m always curious about the differences between modern and vintage and I like to conjure up scent memories, even if they are largely in my imagination!
My experiences with ebay have been 98% positive, even for vintage scents. You just have to expect that top notes will be damaged in most cases and wait for the beauty that lies underneath! But, I won’t pay exorbitant prices unless I know something about the seller. So, maybe I’m a less-than-rabid scent hound?
The first few Serge bell jars I purchased were from ebay sellers, and I always made a point of reading every bit of feedback before pulling the trigger. My point of reference was and still is all the horror stories I’ve read on MUA about vintage bottles filled with water, etc.
You’re still a pretty rabid scent-hound; I’m sometimes just too impatient and cynical for my own good! 🙂
Nava –
I’ve been lucky, I guess, in my Bay finds – the only times I’ve gotten burned is when I’ve not done my homework (the Vent Vert I scored was a mini but the price I paid was reflective of that so it was okay, just not the ‘steal’ I was expecting). I’ve never gotten anything that wasn’t as described – I think you only get to scam somebody ONCE;-), so if you’re planning to make some money on the Bay you’d better come correct.
Melissa’s right about the vintage – it really is a crapshoot, which is why I said YBMV (your bottle may vary). For that reason I also love going to estate/garage sales and antique stores/malls. I scored an incredible Shalimar (horse-tag) perfume that changed my mind about the frag (I used to hate it when my mom wore it but she wore the cologne spray out of that blue and white canister. Ew). $9. Gorgeous.
Just scored a vintage Emeraude PdT for $2. Top notes wonky but heart and basenotes are slaveringly good.
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I’ve been buying vintage on Ebay for ten years and have never had a bad experience and, in fact, have had some spectacularly good ones. A recent 4oz. (4 oz!!!) bottle of vintage Bandit in its original packaging, including the outer wrapper, which the seller had veeerrrry carefully unwrapped from the box just to show the box, bottle and its contents, for just over $50. I almost fainted and I’m still not entirely sure it really happened, but I can see the thing from here so it must be true.
Buying on eBay, like just about everything else in life IMHO, simply requires the application of a modicum of good sense and a smidgen of care. Check out the seller, and most important, use Paypal and look for the guarantee on the right side of the page that states that the seller’s transactions are covered for the full purchase price if the object does not arrive or is not as advertised. The Paypal claims process actually works, and you will be reimbursed in full if the seller is a fraud. If you don’t see that logo, don’t buy it.
Thanks for the tips, C. I’ve only been buying “vintage” – and I like minis – for about five months, but my track record is pretty good. I did buy one Chanel No. 19 mini that was labeled vintage, but turned out to be the new formula. Seller hadn’t guaranteed it, but it was genuine No. 19, it was cheap, and I kept it. Another mini, Caron Infini, was completely spoiled (not just the top notes). Everything else I’ve bought has been super.
My rule of thumb is to not bid more than I could stand to lose. I also like to bid with sellers who don’t specialize in perfume – true, they’ve usually gotten their stock from estate sales or thrift stores, and I may have no idea what shape the juice is in, so it is a bit of a gamble, but then, I’m cheap! 🙂
Yes, that’s the attitude I take as well. I should have said don’t buy it if you aren’t prepared to lose, but most reputable sellers these days do offer the Paypal warranty coverage in their listings, and it really takes the worry out of the process. I have never had to file a claim for a vintage fragrance, but I have for a couple of other things and Paypal basically sides with the purchaser unless the Seller can prove that they are not telling the truth.
It must be that I’m too new to the perfume hobby– vintage frags just don’t do it for me yet. However, I recently tried PdN’s Odalisque, and this smells very “vintage” to me (faux vintage for beginners, maybe). Love this stuff! It has me pondering if there are any actual vintage perfumes that are good for beginners (since Odalisque certainly isn’t a real vintage frag). I’m not sure what note makes it smell this way to me, or why I associate it with older frags.
That’s an intriguing question – and one that more experienced noses than mine will have to address.
That being said, I don’t think you need to be experienced as a perfumista to enjoy vintage. ‘Vintage’ means lots of different things to different folks – I connected with the perfume world (which I didn’t even knew existed!) by Googling an old love of mine, NinaRicci Bigarade – one thing led to another and I ended up here!
The vintage Cotys were just me, getting older, missing my mom – and going on a hunt. That I fell in love with them to actually wear was a bonus!
So take your time and don’t worry about where you are, experience-wise. You may never get there or you might fall in love with something vintage tomorrow. Just keep an open mind – and an open nose!
And I love your query – anybody out there with some ideas?
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As a fellow vintage junkie to another: thanks. I revisit my stash regularly and really should review more of it… Funny you should find L’Origan melancholy: I called it “L’Heure Bleue without the blues”, and I find it packs a vigorous wallop.
Another Coty you want to look for is Ambre Antique, the grand-daddy of all orientals…
BTW, Coty hasn’t got an elegant grave: he died ruined by his very dubious political and press ventures. The man was a perfume and marketing genius, but he was also an fairly repulsive right-wing extremist who tried to push a fascist agenda. Which doesn’t lessen his astounding contribution to the history of perfumery.
As for Cellier, I’ve been entertaining visions of writing her biography some day — I have to hurry before the people who actually knew here die off. She was indeed quite a handful — so much so that Roure set her up in her own lab because Jean Carles (the head perfumer and teacher there) couldn’t stand her.
But whenever the movie is done, I’m sorry, the actress needs to be French: there’s nothing quite French than the brilliant, insolent, couturier-clad Cellier!
“quite Frencher”, is what I meant to write.
Madame-
GET TO IT! That would be an incredibly successful book! You are such a wonderful writer and Mme G would be the subject of the century for so many perfumistas (and women in general).
I LOVE that she had her own lab – nothing like knowing exactly what you want/need. Jean Charles – well, he just had to get over it, didn’t he? I’m always getting spanked for my Cellier-like ways and frankly, were I possessed of a quantitative talent like hers, I would take NO guff. Alas, as I own a business that is dependent upon the goodwill of my customers, I have to smooth those edges way down – even as a painter I have to settle down a notch or two, as I am not famous (nor rich) so cannot afford to be too cavalier with my studio assistants. It’s probably good practice, for me to behave thusly – but you almost never see guys trying to smooth their edges, do you?
Lord, where did THAT come from on a Monday morning! Okay! Back to work!
oh! one last thing: I knew that Coty was a pain, off-perfume. Didn’t realize he didn’t have an elegant grave, though. I have no problem separating genius from tiresomeness, so I still revere his work, though not him as a person. And that’s perfectly okay.
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Please, please, PLEASE — go write the proposal for this! Oh my god, D, you are just too perfect for this project. And just imagine the fun you’d have, coaxing all those hair-raising stories out of aged perfumers and fashion people who know that Now All Can Be Told. What’s more, you could probably apply to all sorts of grants and things since she is an Historical Personage.
Plus, Cellier deserves it. I’ve put her in my all-star pantheon of Difficult Women knowing only the barest outlines of her story. I can just feel the energy across the ages.
Please!
What She Said.
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That’s book project N°2, if book project N°1 works out… Nuff said.
I know, I hesitated before suggesting Cate, but she just kept insisting. I figure if Vivien Leigh could be the perfect Scarlett O’Hara, a great Australian can handle Cellier. She did manage to hit one out of the park as Kate Hepburn, a truly distinctive American legend if there ever was one 🙂
actress, that is. A great Australian actress.
She’s probably a halfway-decent Australian, too, don’tcha think? No massive misbehavin’ or anything…. and she has that GREAT skin…
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GREAT skin.
Love your vintage descriptions, esp the Emeraude coat! My sister wore Emeraude in the 60s (she’s older) but it was the cologne and I have no recollection of smell. The current L’Origan was an immediate scrubber, and I’ve never smelled the vintage….I like the current Jolie Madame and can’t imagine how great the original is! Nice to read your voice. 🙂
Hey, honeypie! Enjoying this chilly summer?
Emeraude is one of those yin/yang frags for me. I love it conceptually (and I actually love to smell it!) but it’s not a WEAR ME! fragrance.
Vintage L’Origan PERFUME (or PdT or even vintage EdT) is a whole ‘nother animal from what’s currently being marketed as L’O. There’s a raisiny richness to the vintage that just isn’t replicated in the current swill.
The reason you don’t have scent memory of Emeraude is that your sister, like my mother, wore the cologne. It’s easily forgettable, even in vintage – my opinion, of course. The perfume (and the PdT, for a lighter touch) is a thing of incredible beauty, even though it’s not my first Coty ‘wear me’ choice.
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Photos of your beautiful boys and a review of the one perfume that has been a constant in my life from adolescence to dotage, all in the same day! You don’t take prisoners, do you? But in a good way 😉
Isn’t it great? I adore it. And you’re right about the Vent Vert, I have trouble pulling it off now — it’s too…too something…what’s the word I’m looking for? Oh yeah, young. Love it, but had to leave it.
And yes, the gloriously gifted Germaine, my absolute idol. Like Jane Austen, I wish we knew more about her, but perhaps the mystery is part of the magic.
Don’t you think they should make a film about her, even if they’d have to flesh out the details quite a bit? I’m seeing Kate Blanchette…
And Bandit. The Bandit Queen says don’t forget the Bandit!
My boys LIKE vintage Bandit. I checked. No sneezing. the JMadame worked, too.
Alas, Drama Nuui was a bust. They didn’t sneeze but they did toss their heads and snort and let me tell you: that’s a lot of head to be tossing.
So no Drama. I worry about them and Emeraude. Something tells me they might not like that, vintage or no.
How do you feel about the Cotys?
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I am crazy for L’Origan — in fact, I may just go and put some on right now — and Emeraude is very, very lovely, if not quite my style, but I’m embarrassed to admit that I have not smelled L’Aimant or, if have, it was before I really started to focus on these things, and I am dying to do so. I mean, you had me at sables (you also happened to touch upon my favorite cookie) and I shall have to fix that, toot sweet!
well, I can fix that! 😉
btw…are you SURE we weren’t separated at birth?
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Honey, I’m not sure of anything.